From colonial times to the Civil War, policing meant oversight of slave societies. Those racist policies of the past have moved through time, codified in many ways into the present. Josie Duffy Rice is a journalist and president of The Appeal, a news publication that covers the criminal justice system. She joins host Krys Boyd to talk about why the idea of policing as we know it must be upended because it views “Black safety” as fundamentally separate from “white safety.” Her article in Vanity Fair is called “Abolition’s Promise.”