The 12-step program approach to sobriety is a well-known model to get — and stay— sober. But kicking opioids is proving to be more complex than the current rehab models can tackle; almost 70,000 people overdosed and died in 2018 alone. Journalist Kate Knibbs joins host Krys Boyd to talk about a movement to allow medically-supervised drug use aiming at keeping addicts alive, which she writes about for The Ringer.